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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number

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742 for the 25th of December

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20 22 Richardson was coming to you from

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very frozen over North America where

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I've been home in California is not so

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bad but I know many people around this

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country and up into Canada and other

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parts of the world are sufferings from

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blizzards and amazing storms in the TV

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news footage is uh just amazing at the

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moment so I don't know

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what can I say stay safe stay warm

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if you can coming up on this week's Show

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part two of my interview my chat with Dr

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Eugenie Scott this week Genie and I talk

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about the ancient apocalypse

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so-called TV documentary on Netflix and

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Genie gives us her thoughts about

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debating creationists and other

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pseudoscientists coming up after that

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it's the story of the dog who ate the

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homework well not exactly the homework

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but a dog ate something it really

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shouldn't have eaten you'll find out

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what that is coming up and Adrian also

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talks to a friend of ours Faith Newsome

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Rodriguez about

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for Animals is it good to give animals a

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gluten-free diet

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what or maybe can hemp cannabis help

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animals this is all very strange you'll

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find out the connection why it all ties

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earrings coming up when we can count on

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Adrian with Adrian Hill

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then Durant of the show I dip back into

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the Trove archives and look for

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references in the Australian newspapers

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to the Paranormal and San Francisco

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since I'm in the area

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but that's all from me at the moment

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it's time for me to walk into the

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kitchen and see if I can find some

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lovely cookies

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is baked by Dr Eugenie Scott well I do

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I hope you enjoy this Christmas edition

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of the skeptic Zone

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now let's move on briefly

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um you and I we we

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really take one for science we we did we

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did we we did so you don't have to

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so last night you and I sat on the couch

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two two episodes two episodes of ancient

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apocalypse we could have done it in 15

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we had a stiff drink and some cookies to

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to uh Gerdes lots of cookies lots of

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cookies very nice Cookies By the way

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delicious yeah I've been hoping you bake

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them lovely cookies I've been cooking

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them well I've been rolling them out

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into shapes and then eating them the

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technical term is baking I see you've

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spent a lot of time in the kitchen we do

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and um we made the joke that there's a

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cookie tin and no matter how many

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cookies we put into it it gives less and

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a wormhole to another dimension or

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something it's it's the cookie cookie 10

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version of a black hole it is but I just

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go in and never come out again something

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like that anyway let's get back to this

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bizarre Netflix documentary ancient

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apocalypse and we've watched two

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episodes and you know we were just

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gobsmacked and then we were laughing and

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then we're going hang on us and you know

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um uh humor and rage and for those of

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those of you who haven't seen it don't

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premise is this guy

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um Hancock Graham Hancock Grand Hancock

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has an idea that in the last ice age

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there was some sort of race of he hasn't

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said who exactly superhumans or super

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intelligent humans roaming around the

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world teaching ancients how to build

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pyramids and other things

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say in the anthropology

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who would teach them how to grow food

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and and domesticate animals and and

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build you know because because of course

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uh primitive humans are just too stupid

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so they had to have these Advanced

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individuals come and teach them it's

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ancient gods Ancient Aliens yeah yeah

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Ransom repeat uh it's not and this is

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one reason why we were giggling so much

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we've seen we've heard all this before

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after you know thinking about it

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that he he's doing the the classic thing

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starting with the premise and looking

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for evidence to support it which is

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of course you're going to find evidence

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to support your premise if you look hard

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enough and particularly if you avoid all

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the evidence that disgrace your view

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which is you know that's that's why this

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reminds me so much of creationism but uh

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this this is in many in in a number of

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respects more pernicious but which we

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Kansas and you should interview him I

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hope you put him on your show in the

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future he's um he's a real interesting

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guy and he's made a study of this

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pseudo-archeology and he's been studying

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Graham Hancock has in uh I think it's a

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a TED talk or some similar performance

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uh admitted that he used to be a very

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heavy marijuana smoker but he has

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switched to ayahuasco because that gives

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you even bigger insights so uh which I

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takes great pride in pointing out and we

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a scientist I'm a journalist well of

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yeah but his um and and John hopes was

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metaphysical view it is it is a view

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metaphysical has covers a lot of

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doesn't claim to be based or required to

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be to be based in any kind of of

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empirical or logical or rational Source

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um he sees things and like you were

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saying he sees things he sees reality in

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a way that you know other people can't

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see and then he goes out and Cherry

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um the any kind of empirical or

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observational evidence and so that he

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can hold up and say see see this is you

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know it all makes sense it'll make sense

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to him now I've got in front of me here

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and I'll quote a little bit of this this

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is a an open letter an open letter from

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the society for American archeology and

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um ITN the producers of this and I won't

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read the whole letter because it's it's

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a little lengthy but the three three

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points that they make here we have three

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principal concerns with regard to

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ancient apocalypse one the host of the

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series repeatedly and vigorously

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dismisses archaeologists and the

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practice of archeology with aggressive

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rhetoric willfully seeking to cause harm

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to our membership and our profession in

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the public eye two Netflix identifies

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docu-series a genre that implies its

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content is grounded in fact when the

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content of the show is based on false

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claims about archaeologists and

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Archeology and three the theory it

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presents has long-standing association

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in bolden's extremists them's fighting

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words them them's fine well them as uh

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descriptive words alas um and this you

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this whole assumption that uh

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primitive people you I hope I trust you

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cold yeah hunter-gatherers or Village

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horticulturalists people who are not you

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could not possibly have built the

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pyramids uh or the and the pyramids are

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not just Giza but also and and him that

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that's definite proof of a connection

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that's another one that's another one

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that when you don't actually have a

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patterns what as I said to you we were

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three next month she can make pyramids

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this is not I mean I'm not a belittling

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pyramids I think they're incredible

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ancient structures but the whole concept

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is it occurs to just about every child

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imagine why you find pyramids on almost

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every continent you get them North

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you build them in a pyramidal structure

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than if you have to invent steel to make

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a skyscraper for your kids you know they

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didn't have the technology to make

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skyscrapers but everybody including a

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three-year-old has the technology to

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make a pyramid this is not this is not

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belittling them no but you know the the

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the the comments there from the SAA

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letter about the inherent racism

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civilizations uh that sort of went

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were European ones yeah

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um basically people who are pale like us

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um so white folks uh if you if you're

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not a white person you couldn't possibly

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have the ability to erect uh

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um uh uh systems of moving water around

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uh systems of moving people around not

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you know so as we get back to Ancient

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Aliens this is the whole idea that the

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ancient peoples from no matter where

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uh no matter what color what part of the

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world they were visited by kind aliens

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who said try this you know use this

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device and we saw Echoes of that even in

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the in the second issue episode and we

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we didn't see any more but you know I'm

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sure this is uh we we predict uh we

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cannot state for sure because we don't

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have empirical evidence we predict that

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episodes three through eight will hit on

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um but it will be interesting to see if

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he actually does bring up the ancient

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aliens uh piece of it yeah um because

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according to John Hopps uh the

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archaeologist I mentioned uh he's been

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down who's really quite a quite a

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student of Grandma Hancock I've learned

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a lot uh Hancock has been kind of

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downplaying the Ancient Aliens

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connection you know it does make them

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sound a little bit um more of a nut case

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Mike would make him sound dated

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old-fashioned perhaps also yeah

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um by the way what did you think of the

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I don't know if you were paying

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attention but the production qualities

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of that Pro of the programs we watched

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oh it was um yeah I was paying

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particular attention to that and it it's

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a flashy production high quality visual

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Graphics uh grabbing music Drone footage

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all that is just

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um lipstick on a pig is that the

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expression or something like that I mean

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it makes for a a good production but so

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what production value production values

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are great you know the they've got these

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you know Fast Cuts from one site to

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another zooming in zooming out on the

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faces and they've poured money into it

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Netflix is important because apart from

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anything of something is going to be a

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hit on Netflix they've got certain

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standards did Netflix make this or are

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they just showing it uh I don't I I yeah

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we could find it we could find out one

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or the other but regardless I was paying

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careful attention to that so they did

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have some serious money and production

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behind that but again so what it doesn't

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mean that makes it any more credible if

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if content is what's important to you

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and that's your listeners certainly

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um you know I mean if you're if you're

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if you're saying nonsense it doesn't

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matter how pretty it is that's your

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lipstick on a pig right your lipstick on

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a pig

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now before we go one of the things that

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I've always found interesting about this

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we're getting back to the creation so

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maybe this guy too the ancient um

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apocalypse and the the super people

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whoever they were of the last ice age

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yeah you got to know yeah you should do

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a whole you should do another program on

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this yes we should uh when it comes to

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confirming these people in let's say a

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debate the baiting creationists the old

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thing you know the scientist fronting up

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thinking I'm going to debate this

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creationist and win

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Psy you know there's a difference

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between answering the claims and debate

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okay debate is a sport yeah debate is a

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specific kind of interaction yeah

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which should be avoided by people on our

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side of this issue not because we don't

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have the correct information but because

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the format

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of a debate is not one in which

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we are accomplishing our goals yeah I

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mean our goals are to help the public

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understand why our position is the one

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that's supported by science and by

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empirical evidence and by Logic Etc et

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cetera et cetera and you cannot do this

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in uh uh going on The Joe Rogan show and

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and debating

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um uh Hancock which he's trying very

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hard to get people to do by the way yeah

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um the reason for that is that are many

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um for one it confuses the public about

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how scientists actually make up their

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minds about issues how a consensus is

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achieved I have

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been to a lot of science conferences

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believe me more than most human beings

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should

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um and I have never ever in any

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scientific discipline whatsoever mine or

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any other discipline

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witnessed a situation where a scientist

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was on one side of the stage and another

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scientist was on the other side of the

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stage and they debated their scientific

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position

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and then took a vote at the end as to

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who won that's not how you do it what

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you do is you go to meetings and you

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give papers and you discuss with your

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colleagues and you try to persuade them

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that your point of view is really the

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superior one and it's supported by the

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evidence and then you write papers for

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publication and that's another way of

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trying to persuade your colleagues that

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your ideas are superior to those of

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others and after a period of time

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everybody comes around and says yeah

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yeah Richard's really got something

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there I think that's the way ABC works

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and so well that's the Australian

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broadcaster but that's I think that's I

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know what you mean I think that's the

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way XYZ Works

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um and so uh you know standing up there

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on a stage talking past one another is

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not how we do science anyway so you're

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not accomplishing your goal that way

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you're also not accomplishing your goal

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because the format of a debate

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disadvantages you in another way

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um

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it's much easier to say

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you know X is false Y is false Z is

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false than it is to say no X is true and

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here's why yeah of course Y is true and

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here's why Z is true and here's why uh

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it takes a lot longer to explain an

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empirically supported position than it

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does to say it doesn't work and the

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position that we are in a creation

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Evolution debate or you know these

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archeology debates it's the same sort of

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thing

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the other opportunity of course is that

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your opponent

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can say x you know a b c d e f g h i are

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all wrong and you only have time to say

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okay here's why a is wrong and here's

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you know here's why a is actually right

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and here's why he's wrong about his

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statement about B it's called the gift

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it was running around my head I was

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about to say it geesh Galloping for

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those of you who don't named after our

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beloved Dwayne Gish from The Institute

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for creation research rest in peace in

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other words just blurt out as much stuff

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you can in five minutes and your

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opponent can't possibly have the the

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time to refute everything

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which results in a very interesting

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psychological phenomenon called the

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residual effect

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which is that it's not a classic you

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know it's it's not formal but what that

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means is that the audience member goes

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away saying okay I guess the creationist

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was wrong about A and B and C but he was

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probably right about d e f and g because

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I didn't hear any reputations about that

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yeah and you don't have time because

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it's a limited time format that's why

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you do not debate because it doesn't

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accomplish your goals now unfortunately

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there have been in the past

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evolutionists whose goal was to just

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prove their you know their mental

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superiority they're in it for the ego

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and they just want to hammer that silly

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creationist to the floor

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can you find you know go argue sports or

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something do do some debate something

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else all right get up get out of my

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field I don't need you you're not help

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you are positively hindering because

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there are more people who are going to

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go away with the feeling that your

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opponent is correct then we'll go away

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feeling that you're correct and we have

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empirical evidence

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I wrote a I wrote an article a number of

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years ago in the 90s actually in the

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creation Evolution Journal if you uh if

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any of your readers are interested in

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why additional reasons why one should

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not debate the article is called debates

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and the Globetrotters

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and if you just do debates Globetrotters

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Eugenie it should pop up there aren't a

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lot of eugenies

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it's for Eugenie I often get my stuff it

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yeah Sound Advice folks from Eugenie

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Scott look if you have to if you have to

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watch Ancient apocalypse go for it watch

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it uh but good education

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skeptic to understand what the

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opposition is that's one of the things

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people say have you seen this this and

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this and this and I often say well yes I

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have but it's a real chore it is it is a

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chore unpleasant so it's however ancient

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apocalypse is the name of the show I'm

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not recommending it but from an

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educational point of view uh if you want

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to you can check it out and then go

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online to see all the rebuttals which

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there are many and you know in all

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seriousness it is it is it behooves a

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skeptic to watch at least an episode or

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two because it gives you credibility you

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know one of the things that we are

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always saying to people is that you need

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to you know you need to find out about a

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topic I will not say do your own

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research because that's become a trophy

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but you do need to you know you you

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don't just reject out of hand you know

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if if you were if you were a right

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thinking if you will skeptic what you

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want to do is say hmm that sounds odd

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let me look into it yeah yeah and this

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is let this is looking into it and this

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is exactly why I go every year every six

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months to the Mind Body Spirit Festival

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I mean I need to be able to say well

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I've gone and had a look I know what

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they're talking about I've seen this

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I've had this demonstrated on me I've

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got the library at home full of books of

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paranormal and endless DVDs on UFOs and

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I've watched them you know I I should be

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certified but

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Genie's got what a pleasure it is thank

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you so much for looking after me for a

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few days and cooking those wonderful

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cookies well come back and I'll you know

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teach you how to make pressed cookies

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that's a new technique that you haven't

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experienced yet you're pretty good at

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rolled cookies so you know I'll I'll

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give you that all right praise indeed

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thank you foreign

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hey Adrian hi Susan out for some

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shopping eh yep I'm stocking up on this

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imitation maple syrup from Australia

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imitation

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the real thing from Canada

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but I saw the TV commercial in it said

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that noted pancake eating expert Richard

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Saunders says it's the best maple syrup

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money can buy and 60 of people preferred

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in a blind taste test everyone knows

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it's the best oh come on Susan you know

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better than that that's the argument

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from Authority it is

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or is it the argument from popularity

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hmm

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it might be another logical fallacy I'm

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not sure really if only we had a way of

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one oh my is the skeptical Fairy

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Godmother angel from the internet yes

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that's right but how did you know who I

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am I listened to the skeptic Zone

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podcast also didn't you used to be the

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Tooth Fairy Oh yes

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I remember you

550
00:23:10,570 --> 00:23:07,679
I'll never forget your left upper

551
00:23:15,169 --> 00:23:10,580
lateral incisor would you like it back

552
00:23:16,909 --> 00:23:15,179
no it's okay you keep it hey skeptical

553
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Fairy Godmother Angel what are you doing

554
00:23:21,890 --> 00:23:19,260
here in the supermarket I've come to

555
00:23:24,110 --> 00:23:21,900
tell you that you can find out about 40

556
00:23:26,649 --> 00:23:24,120
different logical fallacies on YouTube

557
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in one handy location

558
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listen to each one to hear an

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explanation and examples of how they

560
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might be used

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oh just go to

562
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tinyurl.com logical Zone and you'll find

563
00:23:47,270 --> 00:23:44,100
all the logical fallacies with Michelle

564
00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:47,280
because Mark with handy time codes to

565
00:23:52,730 --> 00:23:49,740
get to the exact one you want who is

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Michelle bigesma oh just a friend of

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mine

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tinyurl.com

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logical Zone thank you skeptical Fairy

570
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:02,280
Godmother angel I guess you'll disappear

571
00:24:08,750 --> 00:24:05,520
in a puff of smoke and thunder now eh

572
00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:08,760
um not quite yet I have a bit of

573
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:13,620
shopping to do Susan yes where do I find

574
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,000
the Australian maple syrup hmm what no

575
00:24:23,570 --> 00:24:19,919
no no no come with me so-called

576
00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:23,580
skeptical fairy this is real maple syrup

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foreign

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with Adrian Hill

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[Music]

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hello everyone this is Adrian Hill from

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Canada to tell you about another

582
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,380
misadventure I had this week it seems

583
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that bad things maybe do happen in

584
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,600
threes two weeks ago I reported I fell

585
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,159
through the ice in the Rocky Mountains

586
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:05,039
well last week I had to have a cracked

587
00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:07,380
tooth repaired and this week my dog

588
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Jewel decided she needed extra attention

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in the form of a vet visit now I can

590
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,059
reset the counter so I can confirm that

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00:25:19,490 --> 00:25:18,000
bad things or was it good things happen

592
00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:19,500
in threes

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so to give you a little background jewel

594
00:25:28,730 --> 00:25:26,580
is a very cute mini labradoodle who

595
00:25:30,890 --> 00:25:28,740
happens to be very particular about the

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00:25:33,890 --> 00:25:30,900
food she eats but for non-food items

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00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,900
anything goes four years ago the first

598
00:25:39,230 --> 00:25:35,760
year we had her she ate Christmas lights

599
00:25:42,289 --> 00:25:39,240
off the tree five of them plus the wire

600
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we have not put up our tree since and

601
00:25:46,850 --> 00:25:44,039
she has gained some infamy at the Vets

602
00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:46,860
for doing this as a result we are pretty

603
00:25:50,029 --> 00:25:49,140
careful about what we leave within her

604
00:25:52,850 --> 00:25:50,039
reach

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00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:52,860
however on the night of Monday December

606
00:25:57,289 --> 00:25:55,500
19th that's Canada time I was getting

607
00:25:59,090 --> 00:25:57,299
ready for bed and I heard her crunching

608
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,100
on something she was in the process of

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00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:02,159
Downing a very treasured pair of origami

610
00:26:07,010 --> 00:26:04,440
Earrings made by our fearless leader

611
00:26:09,049 --> 00:26:07,020
Richard Saunders which I had placed on

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00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:09,059
my rather large bedside table on the far

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side away from the bed the little turkey

614
00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:13,980
would have had to perform some

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gymnastics to get to them not sure why

616
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,700
she didn't choose to eat the dental

617
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:19,919
floss or other miscellaneous items that

618
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,559
inhabit the table obviously she prefers

619
00:26:26,930 --> 00:26:25,200
sharp crunchy objects that warrant a vet

620
00:26:29,450 --> 00:26:26,940
visit

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the vet confirmed via x-ray that the

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mangled wire Hook was indeed in Jewel's

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stomach and heading into her colon the

624
00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:36,779
suggested treatment give her extra fiber

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and hope that the earring doesn't get

626
00:26:42,890 --> 00:26:40,679
stuck on its way through her no

627
00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:42,900
suggestion of Homeopathy acupuncture

628
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:46,740
chiropractor CBD oil Etc I feel pretty

629
00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:48,480
lucky to have found a chain of clinics

630
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that are essentially woo free however I

631
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:52,500
have had some questionable things

632
00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:55,500
suggested to me and all I need to do is

633
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,260
ask them is it really effective and they

634
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,480
usually say probably not and if they say

635
00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:03,360
but what's the harm it's worth a try I

636
00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:05,460
reply my pocketbook doesn't appreciate

637
00:27:09,769 --> 00:27:07,740
it and they always laugh leaving me with

638
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:09,779
the feeling that they are used to saying

639
00:27:12,649 --> 00:27:11,640
these things to placate the owners more

640
00:27:15,529 --> 00:27:12,659
than anything

641
00:27:17,630 --> 00:27:15,539
this event on things my dog likes to eat

642
00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:17,640
brought me back to when we first got her

643
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and I was looking at the wide variety of

644
00:27:24,370 --> 00:27:22,020
treats and food made for pets I saw the

645
00:27:27,049 --> 00:27:24,380
classic human food label of natural

646
00:27:28,669 --> 00:27:27,059
enlarged letters on most brands there

647
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:28,679
were vegetarian and vegan options

648
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:31,279
gluten-free and grain-free varieties

649
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:34,500
turmeric latte oven baked dog treats

650
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:37,740
that are made with real ingredients I

651
00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:40,799
found turmeric curcumin bites that help

652
00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:43,020
with Mobility liver function and skin

653
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,140
health for only 53 Canadian for 90

654
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:49,200
treats and of course there are multiple

655
00:27:53,090 --> 00:27:51,240
companies pushing probiotics of all

656
00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:53,100
kinds with little evidence to back up

657
00:27:58,490 --> 00:27:55,380
the many claims on each bottle one by

658
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,500
pet lab Co on amazon.ca claims that

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00:28:04,130 --> 00:28:01,200
their products quote support gut health

660
00:28:06,529 --> 00:28:04,140
itchy skin seasonal allergies and yeast

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00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:06,539
with each tasty chew end quote

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00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:08,580
I think they might want to look at

663
00:28:12,529 --> 00:28:11,220
rephrasing that the ingredient that I

664
00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:12,539
was most surprised to find in pet

665
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,940
products was the inclusion of CBD oil

666
00:28:19,610 --> 00:28:16,799
and other cannabis related products

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00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,620
while cannabis products are now legal in

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Canada for humans they are not yet legal

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00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,179
for pets according to the College of

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veterinarians of Ontario quote currently

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00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:29,279
there are no approved cannabis or CBD

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00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:31,620
prescription drugs for Animals end quote

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00:28:36,169 --> 00:28:34,260
and as a result veterinarians are not

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allowed to recommend or prescribe the

675
00:28:41,149 --> 00:28:38,820
products at least not yet however you're

676
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,159
going to find lots of products saying

677
00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:44,159
they contain these substances I really

678
00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:46,380
wanted to investigate all these claims

679
00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:48,900
further and I discovered that good

680
00:28:53,450 --> 00:28:50,700
information for pets is actually not

681
00:28:55,730 --> 00:28:53,460
very easy to find I decided to ask my

682
00:28:58,010 --> 00:28:55,740
friend Faith Newsome Rodriguez from

683
00:29:00,529 --> 00:28:58,020
Raleigh North Carolina to help me do

684
00:29:02,390 --> 00:29:00,539
some research since I may have to go

685
00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:02,400
back to the vet if things take a turn

686
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:04,740
for the worse with Jewel

687
00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:13,070
I have faith Newsome Rodriguez with me

688
00:29:18,350 --> 00:29:16,140
here I enlisted her help because I

689
00:29:21,710 --> 00:29:18,360
really wanted a cat person's perspective

690
00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:21,720
besides my doggy perspective I've known

691
00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:24,059
her since trivia with Susan gerbeck's

692
00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:26,220
weekly trivia on Thursday night and we

693
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,380
stayed with her and Ramiro when we were

694
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:31,200
visiting Raleigh when Susan gerbeck was

695
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,000
doing a talk for the triangle area

696
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:36,240
Skeptics I was so happy she said yes to

697
00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:38,340
helping me out with this so we could do

698
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:39,960
a little more of a deep dive than I

699
00:29:43,730 --> 00:29:42,240
could have done on my own faith you

700
00:29:46,190 --> 00:29:43,740
found some really interesting things

701
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:46,200
about some of the weird stuff I've seen

702
00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:49,440
in the pet stores and one of them was

703
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:51,779
about gluten intolerance in dogs and

704
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:52,679
cats

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00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:56,220
is gluten intolerance a thing in our

706
00:30:01,850 --> 00:29:58,980
animals or our pets and it isn't

707
00:30:04,730 --> 00:30:01,860
actually except for Irish Setters that's

708
00:30:06,529 --> 00:30:04,740
the only breed a breed of dog and it's

709
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,539
the only one that they found that

710
00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:09,600
actually has a I forget what the term is

711
00:30:13,970 --> 00:30:11,880
it's not quite like celiac disease in

712
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:13,980
humans but it's very similar and it's a

713
00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:16,440
genetic condition that they inherit but

714
00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:19,260
as far as it being a thing and like the

715
00:30:24,289 --> 00:30:21,720
regular cats and regular dogs it's not

716
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,299
and yet we find a whole lot of food on

717
00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:26,159
the shelves that's marketed as

718
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:28,500
gluten-free or grain free you noted

719
00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:30,600
another Trend sort of related to the

720
00:30:35,570 --> 00:30:33,179
gluten-free and that's the carbs the

721
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,580
carbohydrates which is a very popular

722
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:37,679
human Trend with the keto diets and the

723
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:40,080
Paleo diets Etc you also found that

724
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:43,140
Trend in the dog food correct yes and

725
00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:45,480
and of cat food as well it's mostly

726
00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:47,940
marketed as wheat free or Grain Free

727
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:50,700
foods and what I did discover with that

728
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:53,520
is that has piggybacked off a lot of

729
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:57,240
recalls particularly mold being in the

730
00:31:01,789 --> 00:30:58,980
wheat because of how it's stored then it

731
00:31:03,950 --> 00:31:01,799
gets in the dog food right because weed

732
00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:03,960
is actually pretty vital in making dry

733
00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:06,360
kibble if you don't have that

734
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:08,580
carbohydrate the kibble won't have a

735
00:31:11,450 --> 00:31:10,440
binding agent so it crumbles it falls

736
00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:11,460
apart

737
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:14,940
and so when there was the issue with

738
00:31:18,529 --> 00:31:16,260
mold getting in the wheat Supply

739
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,539
particularly in China because I guess

740
00:31:23,210 --> 00:31:20,399
regulations are a little bit more

741
00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:23,220
relaxed over there as well as like the

742
00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:24,299
chemical

743
00:31:28,190 --> 00:31:25,980
it was like melamine or something like

744
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:28,200
that but that's not melamine was it

745
00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:32,159
melamine yeah that happened in 2007 okay

746
00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:34,919
Alpha toxins from the mold that was one

747
00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:39,480
thing and then the melamine in 2007. and

748
00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:42,299
I think a couple hundred dogs died and

749
00:31:46,610 --> 00:31:44,039
there was a huge amount of recalls from

750
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,620
that and so that kind of correlated with

751
00:31:50,930 --> 00:31:48,720
big name companies like Blue Buffalo got

752
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:50,940
really popular at that time which it was

753
00:31:56,450 --> 00:31:54,960
marketed as grain free food and what I

754
00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:56,460
noticed is even though it said it was

755
00:32:01,130 --> 00:31:58,919
grain free they were talking from a

756
00:32:02,930 --> 00:32:01,140
wheat standpoint right because there's a

757
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:02,940
lot of byproduct like brewer's yeast

758
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:04,200
that's used

759
00:32:08,029 --> 00:32:05,340
um in the food

760
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:08,039
they got in trouble a couple years after

761
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,799
that for not disclosing that they were

762
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,720
using things like brewer's yeast and

763
00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:14,640
grains in their food even though it

764
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,500
wasn't coming from a wheat Source right

765
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:18,960
and from what I understand you found

766
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:22,799
that no carbs for cats can be a little

767
00:32:27,169 --> 00:32:25,140
tricky I did try to look up to see if

768
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:27,179
cats need carbohydrates because there's

769
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,039
this whole thing that their you know

770
00:32:35,389 --> 00:32:31,919
cats are carnivores right they're feline

771
00:32:38,029 --> 00:32:35,399
lions eat meat cats therefore logically

772
00:32:39,710 --> 00:32:38,039
should eat meat but what I was I found

773
00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:39,720
this big huge macro study where they

774
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:41,520
looked at it to see can cat cats

775
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,860
actually can digest carbs ah it's not

776
00:32:47,510 --> 00:32:45,360
going to kill them it's not going to

777
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:47,520
there's really no evidence to show that

778
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,220
carbohydrates will hurt them and I think

779
00:32:56,029 --> 00:32:52,799
why a lot of pet owners get into this

780
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,039
debate about carbohydrates and food I

781
00:33:00,590 --> 00:32:57,840
found myself jumping down this rabbit

782
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,600
hole right around 2018 when my cat was

783
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,880
diagnosed with chronic kidney disease I

784
00:33:06,889 --> 00:33:04,559
was told oh you need to put her on this

785
00:33:08,510 --> 00:33:06,899
special diet and I started to read and

786
00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:08,520
research about what is it I should feed

787
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:11,580
my cat and they the vet told me well we

788
00:33:14,930 --> 00:33:13,740
have prescription diets for them and so

789
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,940
I started to look at what these

790
00:33:18,409 --> 00:33:16,620
prescription diets were

791
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:18,419
one in three cats are going to develop

792
00:33:23,389 --> 00:33:20,340
chronic kidney disease it's just the

793
00:33:25,490 --> 00:33:23,399
nature of their body cats need high

794
00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:25,500
protein and we know high protein diets

795
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:27,720
even in humans can cause kidney

796
00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:30,960
dysfunction right and when a cat that's

797
00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:34,140
just what like my cat's 16 that's 80 in

798
00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:36,600
human years so it's pretty much expected

799
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,000
at this point in time she's gonna have

800
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,000
some chronic issues when I was doing the

801
00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:44,159
research it turned out that these

802
00:33:49,130 --> 00:33:46,380
chronic kidney disease Foods had rice in

803
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:49,140
them and they would have potatoes there

804
00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:50,519
was one that my vet had given me that

805
00:33:54,409 --> 00:33:52,260
had I could see little chunks of carrot

806
00:33:56,450 --> 00:33:54,419
and I was just like well if cats aren't

807
00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:56,460
supposed to have this why is this in

808
00:34:01,909 --> 00:33:58,980
here and then I started to read that

809
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,919
cats need lower protein diets because if

810
00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:03,360
they've already got kidney damage they

811
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,860
need to eat lower protein the same thing

812
00:34:08,329 --> 00:34:06,960
with humans so if you are so if you know

813
00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:08,339
somebody that has chronic kidney

814
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:10,740
diseases and dialysis you'll notice that

815
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:13,080
they have to eat low sodium lower

816
00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:15,720
protein type foods to not damage their

817
00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:17,399
kidneys and it's the same thing with

818
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:20,040
cats yeah no it's very interesting I'd

819
00:34:27,409 --> 00:34:23,879
like to talk next about one of the more

820
00:34:30,109 --> 00:34:27,419
Curious things when I first got my dog

821
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,119
and I was walking around the pet food

822
00:34:35,329 --> 00:34:32,639
stores and the number of products that

823
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,339
had cannabis or cannabis related

824
00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:37,919
products in them like CBD oil or hemp

825
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,899
were everywhere and I thought that was

826
00:34:44,570 --> 00:34:41,520
really interesting because that was

827
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:44,580
around the time that Canada legalized

828
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:46,980
all of this and it was a very popular

829
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:50,700
item just in human food to have some

830
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:53,580
sort of you know CBD oil was promoted to

831
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:56,399
me as the cure-all for many things and

832
00:35:02,990 --> 00:35:00,839
here we have CBD oil showing up in pet

833
00:35:04,370 --> 00:35:03,000
food and you found some interesting

834
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:04,380
things about it because I was wondering

835
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:08,640
are there's even studies about CBD and

836
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:12,180
pets for example yeah and and here in

837
00:35:18,109 --> 00:35:15,240
the United States I haven't seen much in

838
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:18,119
the way of cannabis on products marketed

839
00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:21,599
towards pets in I haven't slept in that

840
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:25,320
many CBD stores to be honest so yeah

841
00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:26,640
well here it's just the regular pet

842
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:28,859
stores you see it well I mean we have

843
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,140
him like hemp here in North Carolina is

844
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,359
legal so you can get hemp products

845
00:35:36,829 --> 00:35:35,280
there's one like a couple miles down the

846
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,839
road for me but right I've never really

847
00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:39,119
walked in to see if this is available

848
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:42,660
for for cats or even dogs right um and I

849
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:44,220
actually did look into that a little

850
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,680
while ago because my cat you know has

851
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,960
chronic pain there she does have some

852
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:50,880
anxiety issues there's inappropriate

853
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,980
urination which comes with the territory

854
00:35:57,230 --> 00:35:54,960
when you have a kidney disease cat right

855
00:35:59,450 --> 00:35:57,240
I kind of just got overwhelmed looking

856
00:36:02,030 --> 00:35:59,460
at it like my vet never even recommended

857
00:36:03,230 --> 00:36:02,040
it to me but what I did find is when I

858
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:03,240
actually started to look at this

859
00:36:08,510 --> 00:36:06,000
companies that are selling this yeah I

860
00:36:10,370 --> 00:36:08,520
think it's Lola pet this is a couple

861
00:36:12,770 --> 00:36:10,380
that lives out in California that had

862
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,780
their dog their Chihuahua had anxiety

863
00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:15,119
problems and they gave the dog

864
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,339
medication they did all these other

865
00:36:21,650 --> 00:36:19,200
things and then they decided to try

866
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:21,660
cannabis because that's what they had

867
00:36:25,010 --> 00:36:23,160
their doctors were giving it to them

868
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:25,020
they tried it with the dog little red

869
00:36:28,609 --> 00:36:26,940
flags were going up that you're giving

870
00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:28,619
them the medication and the Cannabis at

871
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,660
the same time how do you know which it

872
00:36:35,089 --> 00:36:33,119
is it's not the medication working and

873
00:36:37,790 --> 00:36:35,099
this but then they decided to Market

874
00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:37,800
this product for pets and they had a

875
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:40,380
whole section telling you about cannabis

876
00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:43,440
use for cats and they even admit that

877
00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:45,300
there are no research studies right

878
00:36:49,970 --> 00:36:48,359
there's been no studies done in pets or

879
00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:49,980
in this particular case I think it was

880
00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:52,440
just specifically cats but they did say

881
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,180
in a couple places it's never been

882
00:36:58,190 --> 00:36:56,640
tested with animals if this works but

883
00:37:00,349 --> 00:36:58,200
they're making these claims that it may

884
00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:00,359
enhance medicated effects of seizure

885
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,700
medicine it may

886
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:04,400
um have a calming or soothing effect

887
00:37:09,230 --> 00:37:06,900
nowhere here where they were showing me

888
00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:09,240
how they came to this conclusion but at

889
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:11,640
the end of this they linked all of these

890
00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:14,460
humans and studies and I was checking

891
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,140
with myself as I was reading this and

892
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:18,480
thinking if I didn't have the skeptical

893
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:21,839
tools to kind of under understand that

894
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,400
just because you're showing me studies

895
00:37:28,250 --> 00:37:26,400
for humans does not translate to pets I

896
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,260
could easily see myself being swayed to

897
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,480
like oh I'm gonna put this in you know

898
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,400
my card and I'm gonna go buy this for my

899
00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:34,560
cat well exactly and I think we found

900
00:37:40,130 --> 00:37:37,500
that the oral absorption of CBD is

901
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:40,140
actually quite low in dogs and cats I

902
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:41,760
think it was from Tufts from their

903
00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:43,980
veterinary school right they mentioned

904
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,180
that basically the Pet's body treats CBD

905
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,640
as if it's a toxin and so it's

906
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:52,560
metabolized by the liver So within four

907
00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:53,820
hours of giving it to them the

908
00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:56,040
concentrations are so low that it

909
00:38:00,650 --> 00:37:58,020
doesn't make sense to give them and one

910
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:00,660
thing I learned with cats and their

911
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:03,839
digestive systems so cats use glucose as

912
00:38:08,569 --> 00:38:05,640
their main form of energy source just as

913
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:08,579
we as humans do but they

914
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,160
break glucose down from protein through

915
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,680
glucagenesis in the liver so if you are

916
00:38:18,650 --> 00:38:16,079
giving your cat cannabis and the body is

917
00:38:21,410 --> 00:38:18,660
treating it in the liver and your cat is

918
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,420
also trying to process its nutrients

919
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:23,760
into glucose in the liver it doesn't

920
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:25,320
make sense to me why we would be

921
00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:27,720
straining that organ

922
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:30,300
to get rid of a toxin while it's trying

923
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:32,760
to nourish the body and I think the two

924
00:38:39,890 --> 00:38:35,280
things that CBD or any cannabis product

925
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:39,900
is promoted to do is to fight Pain and

926
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,060
anxiety those are the two main things I

927
00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:44,400
think we found and I found some

928
00:38:49,690 --> 00:38:46,680
information on a Blog that I discovered

929
00:38:53,930 --> 00:38:49,700
after I became a pet owner and that is

930
00:38:56,329 --> 00:38:53,940
skeptvet.com and he has been following

931
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,339
some of the CBD Research in relation to

932
00:39:01,010 --> 00:38:58,079
I believe it's dog's arthritis

933
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:01,020
specifically and in his early headlines

934
00:39:06,109 --> 00:39:03,420
he was quite excited and saying that the

935
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,119
early tests were encouraging but was

936
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:08,640
exercising caution because there were

937
00:39:12,589 --> 00:39:10,619
some flaws with the study quite often

938
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:12,599
they were low numbers or not

939
00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:13,920
double-blinded there were always

940
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:15,900
something that he wasn't really happy

941
00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:18,180
with but as the years have gone on his

942
00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:19,980
tone has changed to much more

943
00:39:24,349 --> 00:39:21,900
discouraging news he wrote about it

944
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:24,359
fairly recently so if you want to find

945
00:39:29,329 --> 00:39:26,760
out more about this topic do check out

946
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:29,339
skept vet dot com

947
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:32,640
so to finish off faith I think you have

948
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,480
a really fun way of talking about the

949
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,880
pet food industry that's it's very

950
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:41,040
similar to what the human food names are

951
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:43,140
so it's quite fun tell us what that is

952
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,780
so I kind of refer to most of the

953
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,000
conventional pet foods that we have here

954
00:39:52,370 --> 00:39:50,640
like in the U.S like fancy feasts Purina

955
00:39:54,650 --> 00:39:52,380
what we would call the bottom of the

956
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,660
barrel is wall pet kind of like Walmart

957
00:40:00,050 --> 00:39:56,480
to get them at Walmart

958
00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:00,060
whereas the more bougier Boutique brands

959
00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:03,240
that use all the buzzwords like non-GMO

960
00:40:09,250 --> 00:40:05,700
organic and locally sourced you can get

961
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:09,260
those at whole pet like Whole Foods

962
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,180
I think that's quite because most of

963
00:40:17,230 --> 00:40:14,400
those places won't carry the the crappy

964
00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:17,240
brands that I keep downstairs

965
00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:19,859
that are probably just fine for your pet

966
00:40:25,010 --> 00:40:22,500
most of them it what is fascinating is

967
00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:25,020
that the ingredients list the the Fancy

968
00:40:31,490 --> 00:40:28,380
Feast is so much smaller than it is with

969
00:40:33,650 --> 00:40:31,500
these you know organic fancier Brands

970
00:40:35,569 --> 00:40:33,660
and I'm guessing that some of the some

971
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:35,579
of the names you can't pronounce some of

972
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:38,640
the names you can't pronounce yeah and I

973
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:40,680
and I look at I think the top five

974
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:43,320
ingredients on the wet food I feed my

975
00:40:48,410 --> 00:40:46,380
cat are meat products right well thank

976
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:48,420
you so much Faith it's been great

977
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:50,040
chatting with you and thank you for

978
00:40:56,810 --> 00:40:53,760
helping me out on a very busy week and I

979
00:40:57,260 --> 00:40:56,820
hope you have a great holiday thanks you

980
00:41:00,370 --> 00:40:57,270
too

981
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,380
[Music]

982
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,119
before I sign off I want to share some

983
00:41:07,069 --> 00:41:05,520
really good news Jewell has rid herself

984
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,079
of the earring without having to have

985
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:09,599
surgery hooray for her and our

986
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,220
pocketbook

987
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:13,440
and even better my lost earrings are

988
00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:15,720
being replaced Richard has kindly sent

989
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:17,400
me another pair and they're on their way

990
00:41:26,140 --> 00:41:18,300
now

991
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:30,470
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992
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996
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997
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just what we know but how we know what

998
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1004
00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:25,500
soon soon we'll be reading up this

1005
00:42:29,930 --> 00:42:28,320
week's Trove and this week's Trove

1006
00:42:32,569 --> 00:42:29,940
revolves around the city of San

1007
00:42:35,089 --> 00:42:32,579
Francisco in the Paranormal as reported

1008
00:42:38,030 --> 00:42:35,099
in the pages of Australian newspapers

1009
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:38,040
but before we get to that is an article

1010
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,839
that has been brought to my attention by

1011
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:42,480
long-time listener and supporter Daryl

1012
00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:43,740
Cahoon

1013
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:46,500
and this comes to us from the age

1014
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:50,280
newspaper dated the 21st of December by

1015
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:51,599
Linda Morris

1016
00:42:57,770 --> 00:42:55,560
National libraries Treasure Trove under

1017
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:57,780
threat from budget cuts

1018
00:43:02,450 --> 00:42:59,640
and the key points here at the top of

1019
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,460
the article are the National Library of

1020
00:43:08,569 --> 00:43:04,800
Australia is facing a 13 million dollar

1021
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:08,579
or 21 cut to its operating budget from

1022
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:10,380
July 2023

1023
00:43:17,809 --> 00:43:15,480
budget funding runs out then for trove

1024
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:17,819
the library's online portal that

1025
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:19,980
provides millions of Australians access

1026
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,700
to newspapers photographs and Records

1027
00:43:30,109 --> 00:43:26,160
internal report fines without dedicated

1028
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:30,119
and sustainable long-term funding Trove

1029
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,740
will cease

1030
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,599
to exist

1031
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:35,760
it goes on to say Federal funding for

1032
00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:37,380
the National Library of Australia's

1033
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:40,260
digital resource Trove Runs Out in six

1034
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,060
months and without additional government

1035
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:44,640
support the popular archive could cease

1036
00:43:51,290 --> 00:43:47,880
operations by next July the Beloved

1037
00:43:53,210 --> 00:43:51,300
platform receives more than 22 million

1038
00:43:56,329 --> 00:43:53,220
visits each year

1039
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:56,339
most of those by me I think and has been

1040
00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:57,839
caught in the same financial crunch

1041
00:44:02,569 --> 00:43:59,880
impacting the National Gallery of

1042
00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:02,579
Australia which is facing job cuts and

1043
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:05,880
shutdowns in one scenario goes on later

1044
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:08,460
to say the library would cease providing

1045
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:11,640
the service if no dedicated long-term

1046
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:14,280
funding was allocated to Trove after

1047
00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:15,540
June

1048
00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:17,940
it goes on further to say a spokesperson

1049
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:20,520
for the library said it required ongoing

1050
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,760
funding quote the Library Council will

1051
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:25,440
consider all available options for

1052
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:28,380
trove's future in the first half of 2023

1053
00:44:35,870 --> 00:44:31,680
when the government funding position

1054
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,880
beyond June 30 2023 is clearer end quote

1055
00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:37,200
they said

1056
00:44:43,790 --> 00:44:41,400
it has ruled out a pay for view scheme

1057
00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:43,800
that's interesting because there are

1058
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:45,480
other digital archives from around the

1059
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:48,540
world which require you to pay a

1060
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:50,940
subscription or pay

1061
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:53,220
for view or whatever the case it is but

1062
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:56,280
Trove has always been free free for

1063
00:45:02,030 --> 00:44:59,760
anybody to uh to use a spokesperson for

1064
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,040
the Arts Minister Tony Burke said

1065
00:45:06,890 --> 00:45:04,800
decisions about funding would be made in

1066
00:45:08,750 --> 00:45:06,900
the coming months so that's quite an

1067
00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:08,760
alarming report there

1068
00:45:14,030 --> 00:45:11,339
about the future the possible future of

1069
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,040
trove and it's been such a big part of

1070
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:15,839
the skeptic Zone over the last few years

1071
00:45:20,089 --> 00:45:18,119
that I would um

1072
00:45:22,490 --> 00:45:20,099
that would be very sad indeed if that

1073
00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:22,500
resource went away but apart from the

1074
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,060
Skeptics and of course it is an

1075
00:45:30,109 --> 00:45:26,880
invaluable historical archive for the

1076
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:30,119
rest of society so I certainly hope that

1077
00:45:36,490 --> 00:45:33,000
funding can be found we'll try to keep

1078
00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:36,500
our eye on that situation the alcohol so

1079
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:40,440
our remarks about a trove from last week

1080
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:42,900
where we talked about Crystal power and

1081
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,280
Crystal healing

1082
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:47,280
he says this article from thranka

1083
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:49,260
University of New South Wales student

1084
00:45:53,390 --> 00:45:50,160
paper

1085
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:53,400
from the 11th of April 1989 read by

1086
00:45:58,130 --> 00:45:55,140
yours truly

1087
00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:58,140
caught my attention because it's such an

1088
00:46:04,370 --> 00:46:00,660
extraordinary example of mashup and half

1089
00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:04,380
and non-truths I just found it

1090
00:46:08,930 --> 00:46:06,660
interesting to analyze it anyway he goes

1091
00:46:11,569 --> 00:46:08,940
on to say he points out certain things

1092
00:46:13,730 --> 00:46:11,579
that they said for example the article

1093
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:13,740
said industry has long used quartz

1094
00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:16,200
crystals as a means of focusing and

1095
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:19,020
transforming energy and his comment is

1096
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:22,020
just plain wrong the article says a tiny

1097
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:25,440
slice of quartz in a micro circuit Daryl

1098
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:27,900
comments doesn't have to be in a micro

1099
00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:30,720
circuit old valve equipment used

1100
00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:32,099
crystals

1101
00:46:38,450 --> 00:46:35,400
the article says in part increases an

1102
00:46:41,809 --> 00:46:38,460
electric signal and Daryl says no

1103
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:41,819
also when cut into precise shapes quartz

1104
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:45,240
vibrates at precise rates and Daryl says

1105
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:49,200
yes true given an energy source of

1106
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:51,060
course that's very important the article

1107
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:53,280
says and transforms electricity into

1108
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:55,560
waves Daryl says hard to know what that

1109
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:56,640
even means

1110
00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:59,640
which can be broadcast as in the radio

1111
00:47:05,329 --> 00:47:01,800
and television signals and Daryl says

1112
00:47:08,569 --> 00:47:05,339
the crystal like everything else has a

1113
00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:08,579
resonant frequency and that is used to

1114
00:47:11,630 --> 00:47:10,260
lock the frequencies of oscillator

1115
00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:11,640
circuits

1116
00:47:15,970 --> 00:47:14,700
you can buy these at jaycar and jaycar

1117
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:15,980
is a popular

1118
00:47:20,930 --> 00:47:19,140
electronics store here in Australia so

1119
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,940
thank you Daryl and Daryl makes some

1120
00:47:23,450 --> 00:47:22,079
more

1121
00:47:25,609 --> 00:47:23,460
um comments

1122
00:47:28,010 --> 00:47:25,619
comments there about the article it's

1123
00:47:29,569 --> 00:47:28,020
nice to have some feedback it's nice to

1124
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:29,579
have some feedback but

1125
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,020
but again we get back to the point

1126
00:47:35,150 --> 00:47:33,839
before we get into Trove this week of

1127
00:47:38,270 --> 00:47:35,160
the um

1128
00:47:41,860 --> 00:47:38,280
the wiring news about the possible

1129
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:41,870
funding cuts for this valuable resource

1130
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:46,079
[Music]

1131
00:47:49,089 --> 00:47:47,510
foreign

1132
00:47:51,890 --> 00:47:49,099
[Music]

1133
00:47:54,370 --> 00:47:51,900
once again to dive into those pages at

1134
00:47:56,210 --> 00:47:54,380
Trove at

1135
00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:56,220
trove.nla.gov.eu the online resource

1136
00:47:59,770 --> 00:47:57,660
from the Australian government and the

1137
00:48:04,150 --> 00:47:59,780
National Library of Australia

1138
00:48:08,329 --> 00:48:04,160
chocoblock full to the brim

1139
00:48:10,370 --> 00:48:08,339
with articles at your fingertips

1140
00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:10,380
and since I'm in the San Francisco Bay

1141
00:48:14,109 --> 00:48:12,060
Area I thought I would look up San

1142
00:48:17,150 --> 00:48:14,119
Francisco psychic San Francisco

1143
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,160
paranormal San Francisco Clairvoyant and

1144
00:48:21,890 --> 00:48:19,440
so on to see what has been reported over

1145
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,900
the years in the pages of Australian

1146
00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:22,800
newspapers

1147
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,339
[Music]

1148
00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:32,400
and our first return comes from the year

1149
00:48:38,930 --> 00:48:36,300
1923 dated the 10th of August in the

1150
00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:38,940
evening news from Sydney although I

1151
00:48:43,930 --> 00:48:40,740
noticed this story has been repeated in

1152
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:43,940
many other newspapers a big big quest

1153
00:48:51,770 --> 00:48:47,839
for psychic study San Francisco Friday

1154
00:48:54,650 --> 00:48:51,780
the Leyland Stanford University has

1155
00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:54,660
received four hundred thousand dollars a

1156
00:49:00,349 --> 00:48:56,760
bequest from the estate of the Mr late

1157
00:49:03,170 --> 00:49:00,359
Thomas Welton Stanford of Melbourne to

1158
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:03,180
be devoted to the furtherance of the

1159
00:49:07,930 --> 00:49:06,060
study of psychic phenomena

1160
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:07,940
now

1161
00:49:14,569 --> 00:49:11,160
four hundred thousand dollars

1162
00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:14,579
in 1923

1163
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:18,900
was a huge sum of money that's a huge

1164
00:49:25,010 --> 00:49:22,079
sum of money now but back then

1165
00:49:27,890 --> 00:49:25,020
it was just enormous

1166
00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:27,900
now here's a very odd story indeed from

1167
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,420
the camera times dated the 1st of May

1168
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:32,160
1970.

1169
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:34,260
psychic damages

1170
00:49:42,109 --> 00:49:38,160
a runaway sex life and in this case

1171
00:49:46,609 --> 00:49:42,119
I think the word psychic is referring to

1172
00:49:49,490 --> 00:49:46,619
the uh State of Mind more so than the

1173
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:49,500
Paranormal but anyway it's a tantalizing

1174
00:49:54,829 --> 00:49:52,079
headline let's let's read on San

1175
00:49:59,390 --> 00:49:54,839
Francisco Thursday Australian Associated

1176
00:50:02,990 --> 00:49:59,400
Press a jury awarded U.S fifty thousand

1177
00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:03,000
dollars damages to Glorious Sykes the 29

1178
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:05,940
year old former Sunday school teacher to

1179
00:50:13,069 --> 00:50:09,180
whom an attorney alleged a runaway cable

1180
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:13,079
car had given a runaway sex life United

1181
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:16,079
Press International reported the jury of

1182
00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:18,960
eight women and four men deliberated for

1183
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:22,260
eight hours on the suit against San

1184
00:50:29,230 --> 00:50:25,200
Francisco and its transport system

1185
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:29,240
Miss Sykes lawyer Mr Marvin Lewis said

1186
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:32,400
he might appeal against the award of

1187
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,720
one-tenth of the 500 000 he was asking

1188
00:50:41,809 --> 00:50:39,359
but he hailed the verdict as a quote

1189
00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:41,819
legal breakthrough end quote which

1190
00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:44,760
established the principle of psychic

1191
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:47,700
damages Miss Sykes was on a cable car in

1192
00:50:54,770 --> 00:50:51,839
1964 when it broke loose plunged down a

1193
00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:54,780
hill and smashed into a power pole as a

1194
00:50:59,930 --> 00:50:57,540
result Mr Lewis contended in the trial

1195
00:51:03,109 --> 00:50:59,940
she suffered from uncontrollable sex

1196
00:51:07,010 --> 00:51:03,119
drives which drove her into the arms of

1197
00:51:08,809 --> 00:51:07,020
more than 100 men Miss Sykes who

1198
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,819
testified for two and a half days during

1199
00:51:14,750 --> 00:51:11,040
the trial said she was a former Sunday

1200
00:51:16,849 --> 00:51:14,760
school teacher and choir singer whose

1201
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:16,859
College friends used to kid her about

1202
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:20,160
being the quote the world's only 21 year

1203
00:51:26,089 --> 00:51:23,400
old virgin end quote Mr Lewis said the

1204
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:26,099
case was difficult because of its

1205
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:29,400
humorous element it was hard to get the

1206
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:31,980
jurors to think seriously about it he

1207
00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:34,680
said everybody who talks to them feels

1208
00:51:41,809 --> 00:51:38,220
it is a joke what a strange story what a

1209
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:41,819
strange story reported in 1970 about a

1210
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:45,680
runaway cable car here in San Francisco

1211
00:51:56,750 --> 00:51:51,420
in 1964. and now another strange story

1212
00:51:58,430 --> 00:51:56,760
this is dated 1932 the 22nd of April the

1213
00:52:01,549 --> 00:51:58,440
times and Northern Advertiser

1214
00:52:04,130 --> 00:52:01,559
petersborough South Australia Einstein

1215
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:04,140
gets a psychic thrill

1216
00:52:12,349 --> 00:52:08,700
quote time space and motion the Einstein

1217
00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:12,359
relativity triplets took a back seat

1218
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,720
here today for emotion the emotion of

1219
00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:18,480
amazement and delight and a remarkable

1220
00:52:25,089 --> 00:52:21,660
exhibition of psychic things or

1221
00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:25,099
something equally intangible end quote

1222
00:52:30,049 --> 00:52:27,660
telegraphed the Palm Springs

1223
00:52:34,370 --> 00:52:30,059
correspondent of the San Francisco

1224
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,380
Examiner on January 12th doctor and Mrs

1225
00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:36,720
Einstein had spent a delightful

1226
00:52:42,650 --> 00:52:39,420
afternoon with Gene Dennis one of

1227
00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:42,660
America's most colorful dabblers in the

1228
00:52:47,329 --> 00:52:45,540
things Beyond Miss Dennis who is a

1229
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:47,339
fellow guest with the Einsteins at the

1230
00:52:53,089 --> 00:52:50,400
hotel Mirador left the great scientist

1231
00:52:55,849 --> 00:52:53,099
highly enthusiastic she told me things

1232
00:52:58,849 --> 00:52:55,859
no one possibly could know things on

1233
00:53:01,730 --> 00:52:58,859
which I have been working and she

1234
00:53:04,609 --> 00:53:01,740
demonstrated to me that she has a power

1235
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:04,619
to do things I cannot at this time

1236
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:07,380
explain now I must tell some of my

1237
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:10,800
associates about this it was miraculous

1238
00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:13,680
indeed with apologies to Albert Einstein

1239
00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:17,099
Frau Elsa was equally worked up about

1240
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:21,240
the things Miss Dennis said to her on an

1241
00:53:28,130 --> 00:53:25,440
outing to the prehistoric fish traps ah

1242
00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:28,140
how can this be it is too much to

1243
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:31,020
explain Mrs Einstein said shaking her

1244
00:53:37,790 --> 00:53:33,780
head so profound an impression was left

1245
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:37,800
on the physicist by the psychic that

1246
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:40,260
immediately after dinner Einstein again

1247
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:43,380
sought out Miss Dennis then as if to get

1248
00:53:49,609 --> 00:53:46,260
back to Earth the professor took out his

1249
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,619
violin and played with the El mirando

1250
00:53:54,290 --> 00:53:51,119
Trio

1251
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:54,300
the correspondent goes on we must have

1252
00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:57,599
some more talks the Einsteins declared

1253
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:00,900
Miss Dennis told the correspondent these

1254
00:54:07,069 --> 00:54:04,559
were private talks Dr Einstein is indeed

1255
00:54:10,370 --> 00:54:07,079
the most remarkable personality I have

1256
00:54:13,210 --> 00:54:10,380
ever contacted and his Aura is just

1257
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:13,220
Sublime pure blue electric Sparks

1258
00:54:19,490 --> 00:54:16,319
instead of color what a strange story

1259
00:54:22,270 --> 00:54:19,500
and one wonders how much of this is true

1260
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:22,280
was Albert Einstein really

1261
00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:28,200
wowed by a psychic way back in 1932

1262
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,380
we are left wondering I would have loved

1263
00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:33,599
to have been a fly on the wall in that

1264
00:54:36,890 --> 00:54:34,680
situation

1265
00:54:41,329 --> 00:54:36,900
and now we have another story of uh

1266
00:54:42,410 --> 00:54:41,339
psychics muscling in on uh worried

1267
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:42,420
families

1268
00:54:47,870 --> 00:54:44,240
from

1269
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:47,880
1974 the Canberra times dated the 22nd

1270
00:54:54,130 --> 00:54:51,920
of April psychics look for Miss Hearst

1271
00:54:56,990 --> 00:54:54,140
Hillsborough California Sunday

1272
00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:57,000
Australian Associated Press miss

1273
00:55:02,750 --> 00:54:59,940
Patricia hurst's father says that a

1274
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:02,760
former U.S astronaut Mr Edgar Mitchell

1275
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,480
now a psychic researcher has volunteered

1276
00:55:10,970 --> 00:55:09,119
to help find his daughter Associated

1277
00:55:13,609 --> 00:55:10,980
Press reported

1278
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,619
The symbionese Liberation Army which

1279
00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:15,599
authorities assume has abducted the

1280
00:55:22,010 --> 00:55:18,420
newspaper heiress has said she has

1281
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:22,020
joined the group Mr Randolph Hearst San

1282
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:23,940
Francisco examined a newspaper president

1283
00:55:31,130 --> 00:55:27,680
and editor said Mr Mitchell had enlisted

1284
00:55:34,609 --> 00:55:31,140
psychically gifted people to find and

1285
00:55:37,010 --> 00:55:34,619
free Miss Hearst Mr Mitchell and

1286
00:55:38,690 --> 00:55:37,020
astronaut on the Apollo 14 mission is

1287
00:55:42,290 --> 00:55:38,700
the founder and president of the

1288
00:55:43,210 --> 00:55:42,300
Institute of noetic Science in Palo Alto

1289
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:43,220
California

1290
00:55:50,809 --> 00:55:47,280
devoted to the study of Consciousness Ms

1291
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:50,819
hurst's fiancee Mr Stephen weed has said

1292
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,280
in a magazine interview that Mr Mitchell

1293
00:55:59,150 --> 00:55:56,160
had hired four psychics to find Miss

1294
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,160
Hearst the magazine report said one

1295
00:56:04,790 --> 00:56:01,680
volunteer had been placed in a car Boot

1296
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:04,800
and driven around for several hours with

1297
00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:08,460
the trail ending in a cemetery Mitchell

1298
00:56:14,930 --> 00:56:10,920
has been interested in psychic phenomena

1299
00:56:15,950 --> 00:56:14,940
for years the spokesman for Mr Hurst

1300
00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:15,960
said

1301
00:56:20,690 --> 00:56:19,260
and to remind you of course Patty Hearst

1302
00:56:23,930 --> 00:56:20,700
Patricia Hurst

1303
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:23,940
born in 1954 is the granddaughter of

1304
00:56:29,569 --> 00:56:26,220
American publishing magnet William

1305
00:56:31,970 --> 00:56:29,579
Randolph Hearst she became known for the

1306
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:31,980
events following her 1974 kidnapping by

1307
00:56:37,790 --> 00:56:35,460
The symbionese Liberation Army she was

1308
00:56:39,710 --> 00:56:37,800
found and arrested 19 months after being

1309
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,720
abducted by which time she was a

1310
00:56:44,270 --> 00:56:41,520
fugitive wanted for serious crimes

1311
00:56:46,430 --> 00:56:44,280
committed with members of the group and

1312
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:46,440
that is a very famous story

1313
00:56:52,849 --> 00:56:49,440
but of course psychics and Edgar

1314
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:52,859
Mitchell were of no help at all in this

1315
00:56:57,290 --> 00:56:54,480
particular case

1316
00:57:00,890 --> 00:56:57,300
and finally we'll go right back in time

1317
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:00,900
right back in time to the year 1888 from

1318
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:05,040
the Queensland Fargo and punch

1319
00:57:11,329 --> 00:57:07,980
and this is on the 29th of September

1320
00:57:15,170 --> 00:57:11,339
arrival of famous psychics

1321
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:15,180
Mr and Mrs Evans famous psychics have

1322
00:57:20,329 --> 00:57:17,760
just arrived at Brisbane having been

1323
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:20,339
induced by the psychological Society to

1324
00:57:25,069 --> 00:57:23,040
come over from San Francisco they have

1325
00:57:29,089 --> 00:57:25,079
taken a private house in worry Street

1326
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,099
and will probably remain with us for two

1327
00:57:37,309 --> 00:57:31,920
or three months Mr Evans particular

1328
00:57:39,770 --> 00:57:37,319
Forte is invisible slate writing and Mrs

1329
00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:39,780
Evans has the reputation of being a

1330
00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:42,540
wonderful Clairvoyant now my little

1331
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,280
giggle there was because slate writing

1332
00:57:49,370 --> 00:57:46,559
is simply an old Carnival trick an old

1333
00:57:51,250 --> 00:57:49,380
magician's uh trick there's nothing

1334
00:57:53,150 --> 00:57:51,260
special about that

1335
00:57:56,089 --> 00:57:53,160
as I

1336
00:57:58,910 --> 00:57:56,099
it says here so who ever wrote this

1337
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,920
as I was particularly instrumental in

1338
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:01,200
bringing them here I have placed myself

1339
00:58:07,490 --> 00:58:04,319
in the position of a detective and my

1340
00:58:10,609 --> 00:58:07,500
bush friends May rest confident that I

1341
00:58:13,130 --> 00:58:10,619
will give them my Impressions exactly as

1342
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,140
I receive them if anything strikes me as

1343
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:15,839
being Supernatural and which I am unable

1344
00:58:22,190 --> 00:58:19,440
to explain I will say so if I detect any

1345
00:58:24,770 --> 00:58:22,200
Ledger domain and Legend domain has to

1346
00:58:28,609 --> 00:58:24,780
do with sleight of hand or concealment

1347
00:58:31,569 --> 00:58:28,619
which suggests possible explanations of

1348
00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:31,579
the phenomena I shall be equally candid

1349
00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:34,980
thus far in my private interviews with

1350
00:58:41,329 --> 00:58:38,099
him Mr Evans has favorably impressed me

1351
00:58:45,940 --> 00:58:41,339
and he certainly comes credited with

1352
00:58:48,130 --> 00:58:45,950
very wonderful testimonials

1353
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,140
[Music]

1354
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,359
I wonder whatever happened to Mr and Mrs

1355
00:58:56,530 --> 00:58:53,280
Evans the psychics

1356
00:58:59,550 --> 00:58:56,540
from San Francisco who visited Australia

1357
00:59:02,289 --> 00:58:59,560
in 1888.

1358
00:59:04,910 --> 00:59:02,299
[Music]

1359
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:04,920
well there we are just a few of the many

1360
00:59:10,970 --> 00:59:08,400
references to uh paranormal the psychic

1361
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:10,980
strange mysterious and so on

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and San Francisco as reported in the

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pages of Australian newspapers of course

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there's much more for you to peruse if

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you go to Trove

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atrove.nla.gov dot a u type in your

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search criteria

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[Music]

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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Zone podcast this has been the last

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skeptic zone for 2022.

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next year we started all over again and

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the only reason I can start it all over

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again year after year

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is through via and with the generous

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support of people just like you at

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people doing that well this would be the

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last episode of the skeptic Zone and I

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want to find out what happens next week

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I don't know about you

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as you heard in the Trove segment uh we

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hope that the Trove itself

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can be rescued and keep going as I find

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it to be an invaluable resource

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where millions of other people do as

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reported

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in that segment

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let's do what we can I certainly do what

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I can to spread the word of Trove and

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such a great place to visit

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and a big thank you to all my reports no

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matter where you are around the world

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from the northern

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wastelands of Frozen Canada

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to the balmy

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features of

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the South Coast of Australia

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where reporter Michelle because Mark is

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enjoying a little time off

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and even to Newcastle just north of

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Sydney where we hope soon

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very soon to hear from Maynard maybe

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Maynard is a Christmas message for us

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hmm let's let's wait and see but for

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this week and for this year this is

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Richard Saunders signing off

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listening to the skip

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the skip please visit our website at

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of Australian Skeptics or any other

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hi I'm Maynard here wishing you a happy

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Christmas I've got some things have

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arrived as CDs which I'm listening to

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it's one of my patreons got me and by

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the way uh spoil Richard for patreon uh

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Christmas this year I've got one called

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Christmas cocktails part three I'll be

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listening to that one's a trial thing oh

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one thing that did come I haven't even

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opened it yet because I've been too busy

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doing stupid Christmas stuff I don't

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want to do is the voice of the Beehive

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remaster finally arrived I mentioned it

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on the Christmas show it's a remastered

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and extended version double CD of their

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album let it be that originally came out

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right about 87 88 oh don't call me baby

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I walk the earth a great album from a

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woody drummer from Madness was in there

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with the Melissa and Tracy voice of the

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Beehive that's just out and remastered

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and well worth it listen I wish you a a

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very Merry Christmas and a very pleasant

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New Year also I'm just about to go and

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do anything that's got nothing to do

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with Christmas and have a good time and

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enjoy the skeptic Zone and think of

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Richard when it comes to your patreon

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time everybody so I'll just play your

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Christmas song before I go another